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Just for the record, stating that a man allegedly felt you up because he was Welsh and implying that all Welshmen are perverts is racism.

Just the same as saying a man is obviously going to mug you because he's black would be.

Another nationality or race sharing your skin colour does not make it okay to make negative generalisations about them, especially when you're using them to influence people's opinion of a country.

English people - of which I am clearly one - have a reputation of arrogance as a nation, if you go to another country and propagate that stereotype of course the locals will dislike you. It's your responsibility to show them that it's untrue.

I have never met a Welsh person - in or outside of their home country - who was not lovely; including Simon, who is from Port Talbot near Swansea, and who has been a dear friend of mine since I was 16. To assume that all Welsh people are bullies and perverts - to call them such in other people's journals, especially when that person is expressing an interest in moving to the country - is fucking appalling. To genuinely believe what you are saying, is very, very sad and ignorant.

If anyone else around shares this kind of prejudice, let me know so I can ~~fuck your shit up~~ defriend you. Thanks.

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Indeed.

Tell that to

satsuma77. :| Fucking imbecile.

Oh, with the Welsh thing again.

Certain types of English people might actually want to think on why Welsh people are so assertive and sure of themselves. I'm sure hundreds of years of history of bullying and oppression by their English neighbours, which they are only just really starting to undo, might have something to do with that.

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It's the same girl. She deleted one of the comments, but Matte screencapped it. Check this out. She followed that up with:

"I'm not entirely sure how my standing at a bar talking to a friend makes a man coming up and putting his hand up my skirt acceptable, but obviously in your opinion it is."

Because he did that BECAUSE HE'S WELSH, not because he was a (probably drunk) man acting like a wanker, and could just as easily have been some English bloke in a pub in Manchester. Or London. Or Leeds. Or fucking Bognor.

OMG what a cunt! Let's be honest, fighting at chucking out time on a street full of pubs leads to brawling in any city - that's not just a specifically Welsh problem. I'm not saying that Welsh people giving people a good kicking for being English doesn't happen, but it certainly isn't an every day occurrence nor is it a general attitude of Welsh people to cause English people problems. M is English and he's never been in a fight in the years he's been down here since he came home from Germany.

Oh, srsly, no-one is trying to say that guy's behaviour was acceptable, and I'd be the first in there to slap someone down if they were; however attributing it to someone's ethnicity is just poor form and uber-ignorant. You get wanker-males who think that shit is acceptable every-fucking-where. They come in all nationalities and in all colours.

I know, man. It makes me so angry.

Hey - why don't we just call all Germans fascists, all black Caribbeans lazy pot-smoking criminals, all Scots tight-fisted and all Americans bigotted, over-weight God-botherers?

Because that would be just as true, wouldn't it?

*smashes head on desk*

Well my peoples are all supposedly backward and stupid. Maybe I shouldn't be trying to form an opinion, you know? XD

You'll break your brain if you keep doing that...

I think that genius already broke it.

Racism shits me. It's just so petty. When will people learn that that shit just isn't cool. It's like if I ran around telling everyone that all Italians are rude, inconsiderate perverts because of my negative experience with Italians. Just because the majority of my experiences have been bad doesn't make all Italians bad people.

We're all mafiosi, dude. All of us. We'll just shoot you if you say that.

XD

I'm not exactly sure where you got "Just for the record, stating that a man allegedly felt you up because he was Welsh and implying that all Welshmen are perverts is racism." out of what she said...from the screencap or otherwise. Its obvious, as most people know, that you don't like her.

I really think its time for you to stop putting words in her mouth and get over whatever it is you have against her. Its childish and immature to twist everything someone says to make it fit what you want it to say just so you can look good.

And really, its kind of sad and pathetic.

These words or these ones.

I could show you an entire IM conversation in which she slagged off Amanda, if you really wanted.

Gill is a silly, ignorant, messed up girl and she needs to realise that saying someone shoved their hand up her skirt because they are Welsh is racism.

You need to learn more about her before you start defending her.

Go away, now.

Um. She got it from an actual comment the girl made. I read it myself. I don't know the girl very well, she's been on my flist and I don't like to get involved in other peoples drama, but she's made her feelings quite clear based on the comments she made.

The only thing sad and pathetic is her attitude towards a specific nationality of people. No one's putting any words in her mouth.

Dude, that's messed. Most Welsh people are lovely and have terribly beautiful accents. I mean, come on. Pubs really aren't the best place to measure a nation's culture.

I know. It's kind of sickening that people think that way. Especially when they're allowed to teach kids.

I know. I mean, I had to write kids toy pages today at work and I couldn't put "storage for make-up" in there. I just couldn't. The item was for kids 3 and up and you know what, if you're 3, I don't think you need to be hitting the Revlon just yet. And I'm working in the profession that (supposedly) makes you sell your soul.

Kinda ironic, huh?

Jeeeeesus. Not cool. I hate that. I hate seeing kids growing up too fast.

Er, wow. That is baffling to me that someone would seriously think like that.

You and me both.

I can't figure out how her silly little friends can see what she said as meaning anything different, either.

I have not met every nationality on our little planet, but I have met a colour and race. I was born to a white and very racist family. Somehow that character flaw did not stick with me. As I was saying... out of all the races I have met there have been ignorant, stupid, nasty, arrogant, evil, perverted people, equally I have met some of the warmest and beautiful souls in evry colour of our rainbow nation of humanity. Some time, some day, we will hopefully evolve beyound colour, beyound race and come to realize we are all here together sharing equal problems, traumas and challenges. We all share the same small planet and what ever one does in a country across the world will eventually effect the one we are in. We must evolve beyound colour....

Thanks for the post...

It's all a bit ridiculous, really - this isn't even about colour; the Welsh share the same appearance as the English - we're all white, unless we have mixed heritage or are of international descent (such as second generation immigrants).

But to say that someone would behave in an immoral way, as this person has done, both in the last day or so, and several months back, is appalling to me.

I can't understand how someone would think that way.

It goes way back, and your right... it is not only an issue of colour. We have nationalism, racism, elitism, so many isms.... Your religon is not mine; your culture is weird; your ancestors are inferior to mine; I have more money then you, and I think that we humans have been doing this so long that it has become engrained into our genetic memory. It all roots in fear. These isms issues fears are one of the largest of challenges that our world societies must evolve beyound. Or all these isms will continue to pull us apart untill we are so divided we extinct ourselves... Or hey, maybe (as some may believe) it is a game of survival and the superior race will win to control all... :0/ You no it used to piss me off... no it just makes me sad....

I've actually decided - and I was discussing this today, with my friend Jay, who has a ten year old daughter - that I am pro-extinction of the entire human race.

I think we've had our chance, and made such a mess of our planet and our relationships between cultures and races that we should vow, as a species, to remove ourselves from the picture. Just stop breeding and die out.

Yes, I have been very pro-extinction myself. However, I have an understanding, at lest my own personal feeling, that life is very important. So, I do not feel the whole of humanity should be extinct. There are too many people, not enough yet, that think like you do. And if people like you give us reason to look forward to a time when the whole, or the majority of the masses, will think, behave, and express life from a higher mind and higher more evolved disposition. Life is a powerful force. Everything from a worm to the most evolved of species, what ever that may be ;-), will fight to live. These attitudes and the many other destructive games humans play will, as they are begining to, force people to evolve for the soul purpose of survival. When people are faced with certain death and destruction life has a way of surviving. Lets just hope we can survive and become more resonable composed with the flow of all life. At least I at times fantasize about a world that is less focused on death, war, and consumption of all life....

I think we all wish for that, some times.

Jay's view as a parent is very different, his little girl has given him a lot more faith in humanity, which is good for him. He used to be as cynical about this as I am.

It's a relief to know that at least some people aren't so despairing about the world we live in.

I agree, and having children gave me a new light as well. And as it is a relief to know the are those that feel this way about our world, it will be better to know that those few stand up more often in voice and action to encourage and demand the changes and the better world that we desire to live in.

There are too many motherfucking morons in your life. How can that NOT be racism?

She isn't in my life. I cut her out of mine for being a nutter. But she lurks the journal of one of my dearest friends and today totally tried to put her off going to her chosen college because it's in Wales.

I'm going to bed.

People are too stupid.

People are stupid. Let's blow up the world.

(And the FBI will be at my door in 3.. 2... 1...)

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