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Sunday, 11 May 2008 04:44 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Just to get my side of the story out before this all turns into drama, but yes, I just defriended
marysiak.
I think that the request for people to pay for her to get laser surgery is frankly out of order and seeing people going ahead and doing so is just... sickening for me.
This is not an operation she's in desperate need of. She just doesn't want to wear contacts or glasses anymore. It's like asking your flist to buy you a yearly travelcard because you can't be bothered to walk (even though you could). I have people on my flist who have been in utterly desperate situations and never dreamed of asking for help, let alone for something they want rather than need.
Right now, so soon after the crisis in Burma/Myanmar, when people are truly suffering and need all the help they can get, it seems in bad taste generally to ask for something that can be done without. In fact, I find asking people to pay for something that is based on preference, rather than critical necessity, pretty shameful. And selfish.
"I want this and I expect my friends to pay for it for me."
That's just not right, in my book.
So, there you have it. I couldn't give much of a fuck if other people defriend me because of this view - that's your prerogative. I give what I can afford to the people who need it in order to survive, to the people who have nothing because of where they live in the world, or the environment they live in, not to people who expect hand outs because they're too impatient to wait and save for themselves.
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I think that the request for people to pay for her to get laser surgery is frankly out of order and seeing people going ahead and doing so is just... sickening for me.
This is not an operation she's in desperate need of. She just doesn't want to wear contacts or glasses anymore. It's like asking your flist to buy you a yearly travelcard because you can't be bothered to walk (even though you could). I have people on my flist who have been in utterly desperate situations and never dreamed of asking for help, let alone for something they want rather than need.
Right now, so soon after the crisis in Burma/Myanmar, when people are truly suffering and need all the help they can get, it seems in bad taste generally to ask for something that can be done without. In fact, I find asking people to pay for something that is based on preference, rather than critical necessity, pretty shameful. And selfish.
"I want this and I expect my friends to pay for it for me."
That's just not right, in my book.
So, there you have it. I couldn't give much of a fuck if other people defriend me because of this view - that's your prerogative. I give what I can afford to the people who need it in order to survive, to the people who have nothing because of where they live in the world, or the environment they live in, not to people who expect hand outs because they're too impatient to wait and save for themselves.
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on 2008-05-11 04:11 pm (UTC)I have to say, with all the drooling I've done at laser surgery ads and brochures... it's never crossed my mind to ask people to pay for it for me. It just... WHAT??? I simply can't afford it - it's one of the things my future hoped-for Lottery win will fund. Of course, I'd have a better chance if I actually DID the Lottery anymore. Ehehehehe.
But I know you won't have done this lightly so, levity aside, I hope you're feeling okay. *hugshugshugs*
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on 2008-05-11 04:20 pm (UTC)I don't have any objections to helping to fund things my friends want to do, rather than need, but usually that is as a result of wanting to help someone who has been through shit to go have some fun. Not for the sake of their own fucking vanity.
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on 2008-05-11 04:28 pm (UTC)Because you can't get that by donating your time at the local RSPCA or giving money to a family of four who have just lost their home in a natural disaster or something.
If anything, it makes them an idiot. imho.
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on 2008-05-11 05:05 pm (UTC)everything i want, i have to work for. my parents always taught me to earn something if i wanted it bad enough. i wish other parents would have instilled that on their kids when i see people say shit like that. besides, if it was something she wanted that much she'd save for it, not expect handouts. if people help her out i hope they're donating to actual crisis'.
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on 2008-05-11 05:59 pm (UTC)I feel uncomfortable even asking for money I'm owed. It's the reason I sucked as a papergirl. I hated collecting the money.
Mack x
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on 2008-05-11 06:05 pm (UTC)And seriously, dude, I would so not unfriend you over this. I totally agree with you 150%. If I could give to the cyclone victims I would, even though the aid isn't getting to them, but still...that's besides the point. I donated to 9/11 victims, I donated to tsunami victims, I donated to Katrina victims, I've given to friends in need. I give where I can when I can. But I will NEVER ever give someone money just so they can have a cosmetic procedure done.
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on 2008-05-11 06:19 pm (UTC)Haven't donated. Part of me figures I should, as otherwise I'll spend the money on drink or gadgets.
Part of me is surprised at the sheer chutzpah of it.
In Marysia's defence, she's not expecting people to pay for it. She's asking people to donate half towards it, so that she can get it done sooner.
That being said, yes, there are perhaps better ways (in the grand scheme of things) of feeling charitable.
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on 2008-05-12 12:16 am (UTC)So yeah, I'd love to get laser eye surgery. I could wear sunglasses and be comfortable in the summer and it'll be really amazing all round. But I would never ask my flist to pay for it. I know it'll be several years before I can afford the operation and I'll just have to be patient and budget and save up. But I think asking for hand outs for something like this is appalling - especially when I have a co-worker whose father lost his eye in an accident but doesn't qualify for disability from the gov't, so he has to pay so much money for all these operations and he can't work. I mean, I'd gladly give them money in a heartbeat because the poor man is unemployed, extremely sick and in a lot of pain. But for someone who just wants laser eye surgery faster? No. You've just got to have patience.
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on 2008-05-12 08:14 am (UTC)That is as low as possible. Heck, I've worn glasses all my life and don't need them anymore. But if I did, I wouldnt go asking people to pay for my laser surgery......
And in this impoverished world? I'd rather give some food to a child who needs it...
What got me is this;
Also if I get really rich and famous at any point I will pay you back, because I am nice that way.
So she wont pay them back unless she gets rich or famous? I fail to see the nice in that......
Go you btw!!
Peee.esss....Im still working on the slash but I should have it done by sunday next week.... :-)
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on 2008-05-12 07:17 pm (UTC)It's amusing, though, that she's obviously not too bright, either. When someone is going to be using a laser scalpel on your freaking cornea, is that really the time to bargain shop? Wouldn't you want to most qualified, top notch surgeon regardless of cost? I know I would. She also doesn't understand an astigmatism. She's probably too cheap to get special contacts, because folks with that condition can and do see perfectly with toric contacts. Also, very few people absolutely cannot wear contacts. The damage done by overwearing contacts heals if you stop wearing them for a period of time. I was a dumbass who did that, and as severe as my damage was, I only had to be out of my lenses for six months. She's full of shit, trying to justify her "need" for Lasik.
I've had glasses since 3rd grade. I'm nearsighted enough that I cannot find my glasses once I've taken them off and set them down. I can't see the clock in the middle of the night, or drive, or even navigate to the bathroom safely. I hate glasses, they give me a headache, and I'm not allowed to wear contacts at work. Maybe I should get a cut from her fund, since I'm obviously in more need than her?
Sorry for ranting. I hate the world lately.
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on 2008-05-13 11:53 am (UTC)I haven't been LJ in about two weeks now so I haven't seen the post but I did get an invite on Facebook to the 'Pay for Marysias' Laser Eye Surgery' community when I signed on last. I was like, 'wtf?'
It's all just a bit...random to me. I would never dream of donating to it. I am too busy trying to bail my parents out of the debt they've gone into because mums' got kidney failure and she needs medicine to, you know, SURVIVE.
I've not got my hate on for her or anything I just think it's all wtf. And yes, especially in light of all the crazy natural disasters we're seeing in the news.