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Monday, 24 November 2008 11:36 pmI ♥ Andy Hurley:
In a thread about The Collapse:
Me: I'm actually a big believer in Voluntary Human Extinction, personally, so I do kind of hope that something will happen and eradicate the human race.
Andy: i agree to an extent. but personally, i would do anything to make sure my family survives, and i would do anything to stay alive with them.
Me: I don't have family, really. I'm not afraid of dying or leaving people behind. They'd get by without me.
I had a huge debate about this with Jay Jancetic* a while ago - he can't get his head around my way of thinking, and I wouldn't expect him to because of T, but I've made it really clear to anyone who might need to know, that if anything happens to me I don't want to be saved. I don't want my life extended in any way. If my arm is broken, sure, fix it - but if I'm bleeding to death, I want to be left alone.
Andy: fair enough, but if i were there, you wouldnt get your wish. i would save and die for anyone around me who needed help. because life is awesome and beautiful, if we make it that way. so sorry. id save you and make you love life and see why being saved is worth it.
Me: Thank you, dude, I appreciate the sentiment and I'm really touched by your concern - but I do love life (except for the part about being broke right now). I'm not depressed. I'm cynical, but at the same time I'm one of the most optimistic and upbeat people you could ever meet. I'm always verbally bitchslapping sense into my friends when they think life is too much.
It's not that I don't want to live - it's that I think we, as a species, have had our chance. We're over populating the planet, over-extending our lives in ways which are both unnatural and detrimental to the planet we live on and society itself, because it puts more and more demand on the Earth's resources.
I don't want to borrow time. I don't want to be a part of the problem, because it would be hypocritical of me to do so. Humans really need to stop breeding and stop artificially extending life - we are not designed to live as long as we do, we are destroying our kids' immune systems by over-protecting them from any kind of grime or dirt. I'm all for reducing pain and suffering, but I think the continued developments in medicine to extend people's lives and fight the diseases or traumas which might result in death are a huge part of us fucking up everything around us.
But yes - generally, I do love life, but when my time is up, I'm ready to bow out without argument because I see that as a duty in line with my beliefs.
I would totally save my friends, though - I want to add that. I'm the kind of person who would take a bullet for my friends without thinking about it; I'd give them my last penny and I've lost count of times I've stepped in to help strangers who were being attacked or harrassed. I can't force other people to take my very black and white view of things and not a lot of my friends do, so I know their wishes would be for someone to help them and I would act accordingly. However, I wouldn't want the help myself, and I hope that my friends would respect that, too.
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Andy is lovely. He really is. I love this guy.
*I specified the surname because one of the other mods is called Jay, and Andy knows both.
In a thread about The Collapse:
Me: I'm actually a big believer in Voluntary Human Extinction, personally, so I do kind of hope that something will happen and eradicate the human race.
Andy: i agree to an extent. but personally, i would do anything to make sure my family survives, and i would do anything to stay alive with them.
Me: I don't have family, really. I'm not afraid of dying or leaving people behind. They'd get by without me.
I had a huge debate about this with Jay Jancetic* a while ago - he can't get his head around my way of thinking, and I wouldn't expect him to because of T, but I've made it really clear to anyone who might need to know, that if anything happens to me I don't want to be saved. I don't want my life extended in any way. If my arm is broken, sure, fix it - but if I'm bleeding to death, I want to be left alone.
Andy: fair enough, but if i were there, you wouldnt get your wish. i would save and die for anyone around me who needed help. because life is awesome and beautiful, if we make it that way. so sorry. id save you and make you love life and see why being saved is worth it.
Me: Thank you, dude, I appreciate the sentiment and I'm really touched by your concern - but I do love life (except for the part about being broke right now). I'm not depressed. I'm cynical, but at the same time I'm one of the most optimistic and upbeat people you could ever meet. I'm always verbally bitchslapping sense into my friends when they think life is too much.
It's not that I don't want to live - it's that I think we, as a species, have had our chance. We're over populating the planet, over-extending our lives in ways which are both unnatural and detrimental to the planet we live on and society itself, because it puts more and more demand on the Earth's resources.
I don't want to borrow time. I don't want to be a part of the problem, because it would be hypocritical of me to do so. Humans really need to stop breeding and stop artificially extending life - we are not designed to live as long as we do, we are destroying our kids' immune systems by over-protecting them from any kind of grime or dirt. I'm all for reducing pain and suffering, but I think the continued developments in medicine to extend people's lives and fight the diseases or traumas which might result in death are a huge part of us fucking up everything around us.
But yes - generally, I do love life, but when my time is up, I'm ready to bow out without argument because I see that as a duty in line with my beliefs.
I would totally save my friends, though - I want to add that. I'm the kind of person who would take a bullet for my friends without thinking about it; I'd give them my last penny and I've lost count of times I've stepped in to help strangers who were being attacked or harrassed. I can't force other people to take my very black and white view of things and not a lot of my friends do, so I know their wishes would be for someone to help them and I would act accordingly. However, I wouldn't want the help myself, and I hope that my friends would respect that, too.
---
Andy is lovely. He really is. I love this guy.
*I specified the surname because one of the other mods is called Jay, and Andy knows both.